To William Francis   Sunday night! - and Monday morning long before day dawn!1

Queenwood Sunday night! – and | monday morning long before day dawn!2

My Dear Francis,

your parcel with all the [recounted] contacts has reached me safely. thank you for Faraday.3 thank you for the magazine and thank you for the trouble you have taken about the Signature. To Mr Huxley pray present my best thanks.4

I have just read Donovan5 through – and while it is fresh in my mind I will set down what I think about it – I can now fancy some of the difficulties of editorial life – the impossibility to please all parties and still preserve the high standing of the magazine. Mr Donovan’s paper would be perused with great interest by the general reader, his style is exceedingly perspicuous and attractive. Besides he appears to be an old contributor; he has also won a prize at the Royal <Irish Ac>ademy;6 and I must say that I feel a certain shudder in pronouncing an adverse judgement on such a man. But what can I do – you have asked me for my opinion and of course expect me to give a conscientious one. I believe as regards the advancement of science that Mr D’s paper is of no value. Every practical man will look askance at such memoirs; It is very easy to imagine matter for such, though perhaps not so easy to throw them into the beautiful language which Mr Donovan appears to have at command – were there a dearth of matter – had you not your drawers already crammed with contributors <I should> say at once ‘insert it’; but I certainly think <your> space might be more valuably filled – all he has advanced could be said in one fourth of the words which he has used about it. He intends to publish more – would it not be well to request him to send in the whole? you might then propose a condensation of the affair and I am inclined to think you could reduce it as Brahma’s press7 reduces a pack of cotton – it is very porous! The term electric fluid is a kind of symbol by which we tie certain phenomena together, a kind of scaffolding for thought, to be removed when the solid masonry has been put together. My notion is that any attempt to parcel the fluid out into elementary constituents arises from an ignorance of the true aid which it renders to science. Mr Donovan appears to be not aware of the fact that Melloni has by means of the thermo-electric pile proved that the moon’s beams contain heat.8

Why does man seek for causes? <words missing> result of some unifying principle in human nature, – this principle has ever shewn itself and ever will shew itself, and it shews itself in Mr Donovan though he regrets it in theory, and would not hesitate to assign a distinct cause for every fact, thus forming as many causes as facts. Nearly the whole of his objections against ‘identity’ are answered by the assumption of different degrees of tension in expansive force in one and the same fluid. My advice would be to get all he has to say upon the subject said, and then propose this kind of smelting process; otherwise the thing is likely to be<words missing> of ‘linked sweetness long drawn out’9

With regard to Dr Woods I believe the fairest way of acting would be to print the whole matter as he proposes. If you tell me when you would like to have it I will send you a fair copy of the objections.10 I do not think that he has at all answered them. In fact he just argues as if I, not he, had proposed a theory. Even supposing that no single fact which I have adduced rests upon a certain foundation, the fact of their being generally received places the onus of positive disproof on Dr Woods, before he can ground his theory; but I apprehend that he will find some of the facts stubborn ones.

I have had some sweet imaginings over Reuben’s paper11 – did you notice the hand? a woman’s, – perhaps his wife, perhaps his daughter, feeling a pride perhaps in her husbands or her father’s attainments as she transcribed his speculations Well Reuben appears to have a good deal of ingenuity <1-2 words missing> think on the whole his paper may be inserted when he modifies the following fundamental article of a portion of his scientific creed. In page 2 he says ‘Suppose a particle to be electrified by having positive electricity developed on one end and its equivalent of negative electricity on the other end, then however intense this polarisation may be the neutrality of the mass is perfect, because [of] the equality of the two opposite electric forces and the minuteness and independence of the particles’.12 <1-2 words missing> minute and independent particles <so> endowed must take up a certain determinate arrangement dependent on the position of [their] poles13 Now this is exactly the state in which the molecules of a magnet are supposed to be. The magnet is not polarised as a whole, for break it in two and you have two perfect magnets, continue the subdivision down to the molecules and you will find them polarised. But the particles by no means neutralise each other so as to render the outward action of the magnet zero. In fact it has been mathematically demonstrated by Poisson, that a molecular polarization such as that assumed by Mr Phillips produces precisely the same effect as if free magnetism were distributed like an electric layer over the surface of the mass. I should undoubtedly expect a volume of hydrogen to affect the electrimeter if <its> particles were in a state of ‘intense polarization’ as assumed by Mr Phillips.

Furthermore it would be difficult to assign ‘independance’ to particles polarized as Mr P. supposes the particles of hydrogen to be; they ought to unite, the same force and disposition of force being present among themselves alone, as when chlorine is introduced among them.14

But in these speculations we should soon get into a region where no safe footing <2-3 words missing> my part I imagine that Mr Phillips’s un<doubted> ingenuity might be better expended than on mending these old theories – His remarks on abrasion appear to be of value; but his theoretic views of the polarity of atoms although they may be very useful to himself and may help him materially to a certain extent as keys to a certain number of phenomena do not appear likely to contribute much to the advancement of Science.

One word more as to Mr Donovan. The magazine has a commercial as well as a scientific aspect. I believe the paper would interest many who do not look far beneath the surface of things. Now I would make its insertion or noninsertion to depend upon the number of this class of readers which you may suppose the magazine to possess.

most truly yours | John Tyndall

Dr Francis | – – 15

over.16

Would you stick Mr Huxley’s address on the enclosed17 and send it to him for me? –Yours containing the note from Mr Sylvester reached me to day18 – all my difficulties are now surmounted – thanks to you for that same –19

I send you a ‘report’20 and am not ashamed to say that it is a good one – I spent a good deal of time at it but have the satisfaction of believing that I now know as much of the real secrets of the matter as anybody that has written upon it. When I have time at disposal I hope to be able to bore a little deeper than any of them have yet done.

Woods’s private note21 accompanies this –

StBPL T&F, Authors’ letters

[30 November2 December 1851]: The allusions to Huxley, Sylvester and signatures refer to the RS nomination certificate and clearly date this letter to late November-early December 1851. Thus the Sunday and Monday at the head of the letter indicate Sunday, 30 November and Monday, 1 December. The allusions to Reuben Phillips and the ‘Report’ (see n. 20) are also consistent with this date. After completing the letter very early on Monday morning Tyndall received a letter from Francis containing a note from Sylvester (see nn. 18 and 19) which he responded to in the postscript, which most likely dates from later on Monday the 1st, or possibly Tuesday the 2nd. Moreover, the Huxley letter which he enclosed was dated 2 December. Tyndall usually posted expeditiously but perhaps he delayed posting the letter in order to finish the ‘Report’ which he sent with it (see n. 20).

before day dawn: this is a particularly hasty letter, written with a scratchy nib, in a poor hand, with little attention to punctuation and many deletions. All this may be explained by Tyndall’s writing in haste with lack of sleep. Many holes in the paper contribute to the uncertain readings.

thank you for Faraday: probably refers to the 2 volumes by Faraday that Tyndall had requested in letters 0536 and 0569.

thank you ... my best thanks: Francis had approached Huxley and Sylvester, asking if they would sign Tyndall’s certificate for the RS. Although Tyndall here asks Francis to pass on his thanks to Huxley, he decided to write directly (see the postscript below and letter 0582).

Donovan: a series of 8 papers entitled ‘On the Supposed Identity of the Agent Concerned in the Phenomena of Ordinary Electricity, Voltaic Electricity, Electromagnetism, Magneto-electricity, and Thermo-electricity’ were published in the Phil. Mag. in 1852. Presumably the paper under discussion here was the first of those, subtitled ‘On the Constitution of the Electric Fluid’, Phil. Mag., 3:16 (February 1852), pp. 117–27. It would seem that Tyndall’s reservations about Donovan’s work were outweighed by other considerations.

won a prize at the Royal <Irish Ac>ademy: Michael Donovan had won a prize at the Royal Irish Academy in 1815 for his Essay on the Origin, Progress, and Present State of Galvanism (Dublin: Hodges and M’Arthur, 1816).

Brahma’s press: the hydraulic press developed by Joseph Bramah.

Melloni ... contain heat: Macedonio Melloni made the first sensible measurements of lunar heat in 1846, by placing a thermopile at the focus of a telescope.

linked sweetness . . . out: from Milton’s L’Allegro (1631), line 140.

With regard to Dr Woods … fair copy of the objections: Tyndall’s objections to the paper had previously been passed on to Woods, whose replies had not satisfied Tyndall. Tyndall expressed his willingness to provide a copy of his objections, as Woods as proposed, for publication in conjunction with the paper (for further discussion see letter 0589).

Reuben’s paper: cited 0550, n. 8.

‘Suppose ... the particles.’: on p. 36 of the published article.

<1-2 words missing> … words: there is a large X written in the centre across these three lines at the bottom of the page of the manuscript. Whether written by Tyndall, Francis or someone else is unclear.

Furthermore ... among them: the objections Tyndall outlined in this letter were passed on to Phillips. In the published article (cited letter 0550, n. 8), immediately following the quoted passage, Phillips responded to Tyndall’s objection in a lengthy footnote (on pp. 36–7).

– – : faint squiggles here are Tyndall’s allusions to the ‘&c &c ’ that usually stood for an address at the foot of letters.

over: written in the bottom right corner of the page to warn Francis to turn the page for the postscripts.

the enclosed: presumably letter 0582. In the interval between writing the body of the letter and writing the postscript, Tyndall had decided to write directly to Huxley, rather than confine himself to sending thanks through Francis.

yours containing the note ... me today: Francis’s letter is missing but the enclosed note (dated 29 November) survives. In it Sylvester assured Francis: ‘I shall have great pleasure in placing my name to the certificate of a gentleman for the Royal Society so well qualified as our friend Dr. Tyndall’. (RI MS JT/1/TYP/4/1506, 29 Nov. 1851). If each post took 24 hours (and within London the post could be faster) and Francis forwarded Sylvester’s note immediately, then Tyndall would have received it on 1 December; if any delays in posting, then 2 December.

Would … same –: on our interpretation (n. 1) the following postscript was written at least a day after the rest of the letter.

a ‘report’: Tyndall, ‘Reports on the Progress of the Physical Sciences’, Phil. Mag., 3:16 (February 1852), pp. 81–92. The report discussed papers by Magnus (cited letter 0556, n. 10) and, more briefly, Svanberg (cited letter 0556, n. 11), Regnault (cited letter 0558, n. 7), and Rudolph Franz (‘Untersuchungen über thermo – elektrische Ströme’, Poggend. Annal., 83:7 (1851), pp. 374–83). Tyndall met the deadline that he had set for himself (in letter 0569).

Woods’s private note: probably a response to Tyndall’s objections.

Please cite as “Tyndall0581,” in Ɛpsilon: The John Tyndall Collection accessed on 5 May 2024, https://epsilon.ac.uk/view/tyndall/letters/Tyndall0581