WCP1961

Letter (WCP1961.4100)

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The Dell, Grays, Essex.

Nov[embe]r.. 18th. 1873

Dear Darwin

I quite understand what you require, and would undertake to do it to the best of my ability. Of course in such work I should not think of offering criticisms of matter.

I do not think I could form any idea of how long it would take by seeing the MSS. as it would all depend upon the amount of revision and working in required.1 I have helped Sir C[harles]. Lyell2 with his last 3 or 4 editions in a somewhat similar [2] though different way,3 — & for him I kept an account simply of the hours I was employed in any way for him, — & he paid me 5/- an hour; but (of course this is confidential) I do not think this quite enough for the class of work. I should propose for your work 7s/- an hour as a fair remuneration, and I would put down each day the hours I worked at it.

No doubt you will get it done for very much less by any literary man accustomed to [3] regular literary work and nothing else, and perhaps better done, so do not in the least scruple in saying you decide on employing the gentleman4 you had in view if you prefer it.

If you send it to me could you let me have all your mss. copied out, as it adds considerably to the time required if there is any difficulty in deciphering the writing, which in yours (as you are no doubt aware) there often is.

[4]5 My hasty note6 to Bates7 was not intended to be shewn8 you or anyone. I thought he had heard of it from Murray9 & that the arrangement was to be made by Murray.

Believe me | Yours very faithfully | Alfred R. Wallace [signature]

P.S. I have been delighted with H[erbert]. Spencer’s Study of Sociology10 — Some of the passages in the latter part are grand. You have perhaps seen that I am dipping into politics myself occasionally. A.R.W. [signature]

ARW refers to the work and draft MSS for the second edition of Descent of Man. See Darwin, C. R. 1882. The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex. 2nd Ed. London: John Murray.
Lyell, Charles (1797-1875). British lawyer and geologist.
ARW refers to Charles Lyell's Element of Geology, 6th ed.; Principles of Geology, 10th ed. and 11th ed; and Geological Evidences of the Antiquity of Man 4th ed. (Lyell, C. 1865. Elements of Geology. 6th ed. London: John Murray; Lyell, C. 1868. Principles of Geology, 10th ed. 2 vols. London: John Murray; Lyell, C. 1872. Principles of Geology, 11th ed. 2 vols. London: John Murray; Lyell, C. 1873. Geological Evidences of the Antiquity of Man. 4th ed. London: John Murray). In 1872 Wallace assisted with Lyell's publication of the Antiquity of Man for five shillings per hour. (Clements, H. 1983. Alfred Russel Wallace: Biologist and Social Reformer. London: Hutchinson & Co.)
Unidentified person.
A pencil annotation at the upper left-hand corner of page 4 adds 'Wallace | [18]73'.
See [assigned WCP ref. to be add]
Bates, Henry Walter (1825-1892). British naturalist, explorer and close friend of ARW.
Archaic form of shown.
Murray, John (1851-1928). British publisher.
Spencer, H. 1873. The Study of Sociology. London: Henry S. King.

Transcription (WCP1961.1851)

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To C. Darwin.) The Dell, Grays, Essex. Nov. 18th. 1873.

Dear Darwin I quite understand what you require, and would undertake to do it to the best of my ability. Of course in such work I should not think of offering criticisms of matter.

I do not think I could form any idea of how long it would take by seeing the MSS. as it would all depend upon the amount of r revision & working in required. I have helped Sir C. Lyell2 with his last 3 or 4 editions in a somewhat similar though different way, — & for him I have kept an account simply of the hours I was employed in any way for him, — & he paid me 5/- an hour, but (of course this is confidential) I do not think this quite enough for the class of work. I should propose for your work 7/- an hour as a fair remuneration, and I would put down each day the hours I worked at it.

No doubt you will get it done for very much less by any literary man accustomed to regular literary work & nothing else, and perhaps better done, so do not in the least scruple in saying you decide on employing the gentleman you had in view if you prefer it.

If you send it to me could you let me have all your mss. copied out, as it adds considerably to the time required if there is any difficulty in deciphering the writing, which in yours, (as you are no doubt aware) there often is.

My hasty note to Bates3 was not intended to be shown you or anyone. I thought he had heard of it from Murray4 & that the arrangement was to be made by Murray.

Believe me Yours very faithfully Alfred R. Wallace.

P.S. I have been delighted with H. Spencer's5 Study of Sociology — Some of the passages in the latter part are grand. You have perhaps seen that I am dipping into politics myself occasionally. A. R. W.

A page number with strikethrough "(1)" is given at the top centre of page 1.
Lyell, Charles (1797-1875). British lawyer and geologist.
Bates, Henry Walter (1825-1892). British naturalist, explorer and close friend of ARW.
Murray, John (1808-1892), British publisher of the family firm of John Murray founded by John Murray (1737-1793).
Spencer, Herbert (1820-1903). British philosopher, sociologist, and prominent classical liberal political theorist.

Transcription (WCP1961.4484)

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To C.Darwin.) The Dell, Grays, Essex. Nov.18th. 1873.

Dear Darwin

I quite understand what you require, and would undertake to do it to the best of my ability. Of course in such work I should not think of offering criticisms of matter.

I do not think I could form any idea of how long it would take by seeing the MSS. as it would all depend upon the amount of r revision & working in required. I have helped Sir C. Lyell1 with his last 3 or 4 editions in a somewhat similar though different way,- & for him I have kept an account simply of the hours I was employed in any way for him,-& he paid me 5/- an hour, but ( of course this is confidential ) I do not think this quote enough for the class of work. I should propose for your work 7/- an hour as a fair remuneration, and I would put down each day the hours I worked at it.

No doubt you will get it done for very much less by any literary man accustomed to regular literary work & nothing else, and perhaps better done, so do not in the least soruple [souple?] in saying you decide on employing the gentleman you had in view if you prefer it.

If you send it to me could you let me have all your mss. copied out, as it adds considerably to the time required if there is any difficulty in deciphering the writing, which in yours,(as you are no doubt ) there often is.

My hasty note to Bates2 was not intended to be shown [to] you or anyone. I thought he had heard of it from Murray3 & that the arrangement was to be made by Murray.

Believe me | Yours very faithfully | Alfred R.Wallace [signature]

P.S. I have been delighted with H.Spencer’s4 Study of Sociology — Some of the passages in the latter part are grand. You have perhaps seen that I am dipping into politics myself occasionally. A.R.W.

Sir Charles Lyell (1797-1875); Author of Principles of Geology and close friend to Charles Darwin
Henry Walter Bates (1825-1892); accompanied Wallace to the Rainforests of the Amazon (Wallace returned in 1852, but was shipwrecked and lost his entire collection). Staunch supporter of the theory of evolution by natural selection, and gave the first scientific account of mimicry in the animal kingdom.
Most likely the publisher John Murray, who published a number of works by Charles Darwin.
Herbert Spencer (1820-1903) was an enthusiastic exponent of evolution and one of the most influential English philosophers and politician of the 19th century. He is famous for coining the phrase "survival of the fittest" in his book Principles of Biology (1864). Spencer saw the principles of evolution in society and extended the concepts into sociology and ethics.

Published letter (WCP1961.6059)

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The Dell, Grays, Essex. November 18, 1873.

Dear Darwin, — I quite understand what you require,1 and would undertake to do it to the best of my ability. Of course in such work I should not think of offering criticisms of matter.

I do not think I could form any idea of how long it would take by seeing the MSS., as it would all depend upon the amount of revision and working-in required. I have helped Sir C. Lyell2 with his last three or four editions in a somewhat similar though different way, and for him I have kept an account simply of the hours I was employed in any way for him, and he paid me 5/- an hour; but (of course this is confidential) I do not think this quite enough for the class of work. I should propose for your work 7/- an hour as a fair remuneration, and I would put down each day the hours I worked at it.

No doubt you will get it done for very much less by any literary man accustomed to regular literary work and nothing else, and perhaps better done, so do not in the least scruple in saying you decide on employing the gentleman you had in view if you prefer it. [2] [p. 283]

If you send it to me could you let me have all your MSS. copied out, as it adds considerably to the time required if there is any difficulty in deciphering the writing, which in yours (as you are no doubt aware) there often is.

My hasty note to Bates3 was not intended to be shown you or anyone. I thought he had heard of it from Murray,4 and that the arrangement was to be made by Murray. —Believe me yours very faithfully, ALFRED R. WALLACE.

P.S. — I have been delighted with H. Spencer's5 "Study of Sociology."6 Some of the passages in the latter part are grand. You have perhaps seen that I am dipping into politics myself occasionally. — A. R. W.

ARW refers to work on the second edition of Darwin's 'Descent', detailed in Darwin's letter to him of 17 November 1873.
Lyell, Charles (1797-1875). British lawyer and geologist.
Bates, Henry Walter (1825-1892). British naturalist, explorer and close friend of ARW.
Probably Murray, John (1808-1892), British publisher of the family firm of John Murray founded by John Murray (1737-1793).
Spencer, Herbert (1820-1903). British philosopher, sociologist, and prominent classical liberal political theorist.
Spencer, H. (1873) 'The Study of Sociology' London, UK: Henry S. King & Co.

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